Thursday, April 19, 2018

37 Are you Kidding Me

With a title like "Are you kidding me" most of you probably think I'm going to rant about the pricing put on Arour coins by the newest Armour mega seller on the scene the KY Outlaw...I'm not. The issue isn't what this coin is selling for because I'm a capitalist and as I have said before these coins are worth whatever someone is willing to pay for them. If this seller can get $5000 for a PSA 10, 1960 Armour coin more power to him.

However, this specific coin raised the hairs on my neck. The current owner is "Tigie"and indeed he is trying to get $5000 for this red orange PSA 10 Mantle. Lets take a close look at it. It's the grading not the price that is driving me nuts !

A close look at the back of the graded PSA 10 coin shows that half of the back rim is missing
what more can I say than
"Are you kidding me !
If this were not a PG webpage I'd have other things to say


Thursday, April 12, 2018

36 the Wisconsin find of 2018

It has taken a month or more to get this post up about a new color variation in the 1955 Armour set, but I was wanting to make sure I was correct about what I was going to say .

Before I start though,  we need to go through some basic info that I have gathered on colors.

For years I and the other collectors have tried to find a listing of colors that all of the Armour coins would match. Basically there is not such color chart available that we have found.

It finally came to me that mixing colors into plastic is like mixing paint. If you look at any gallon of paint and look what they are mixing to get the custom color you want, you find that here are 5 basic colors being added. The primary colors of red, blue and yellow and the additional two colors that are used to make the shades - black and white. Those 5 ...that's it.

I stumbled onto the following "app" "Real Color Mixer" which you can load onto your phone from the google store. Basically it mixes those colors in any ratio that you want. I would rather do it on the computer (vs my phone) so I could then take a pic of the resultant color, but so far I have only found this app for the phone and none for a computer.

Anyway, we can now talk about colors, create them  in this app and see if they match any known colors.

For instance:

1959 dk pink is 9 red, 30 white and 2 yellow
1959 pale pink is 5 red , 30 white and 2 yellow
(whether its 30 white or 28 white makes little difference, but basically double the red and go from dark pink to pale pink ...)

You can hold up the coin next to the phone and match the color...

More importantly if you send me the composition I can generate the same color on my phone and see if it matches anything that I have.

Everyone struggles with Navy Blue vs Royal Blue (1960) till they hold them side by side in their hand. Well navy blue is straight blue and royal blue is 9 blue, 1 yellow and 2 white

1955 Aqua is 1 blue, 1 yellow and 4 white
1955 red is red
1955 dk red is 9 red and 1 black

Some of you are probably saying "he has to much time on his hands" but ....for me this now makes it all make sense.

the WISCONSIN FIND (At first I called it Minnesota - Mia Culpa)

So with this basic knowledge about color on hand lets look at the Wisconsin find of 2018. It was about a month ago that several EBay ads popped up with what looked like a least (200) 1955 Armour coins. There were near complete sets in red and navy and groups of singles offered by player. Checking them over I found first that none of the lots had any of the rare variations for any player. The Mantle lot of 14 (see below) had  reds and yellows and an orange and an assortment of blues. 4 Navy blues for sure and then 4 coins of at least 2 shades
Being accustomed to seeing awful color pictures of Armour coins on EBay I presumed the lighter shade was aqua (though it looked more blue than aqua) which meant the medium shade must be azure ...A color that I need for Mantle. The seller wanted $1299 for the lot but I made him a lower offer since I would have to sell off all the other coins. Looking at his other pics I saw loads of the paler blue coins so they had to be aqua....right ? The only other option was the ultra rare sky blue. I only have one of them (Rosen) so no way all of a sudden someone comes across literally dozens of them...or so I thought.
To make a long story short, the winners of these lots started contacting me and were kind enough to send lots for inspection. The photos below tell the story. 5 different blues showed up. I'm calling the new color Wisconsin Blue for the state of the find.

I separated Wisconsin  in the pic from the sky blue because they are close in color ...but when you have them both in your hand they are definitely different. At least 17 of the possible 24 diff players turned up in this color so it is now an official color variation as far as I am concerned.
I have not locked down the exact color compositions yet in the color App, but it just the blue to white ratio.  You might think well all of these are just a little off and no two are exactly the same. Not really...below are 10 of the Wisconsin blues that I have had my hands on. As you can see they are all the same color just like all the aquas in my or your collections are the same color.
So how rare are they? Looks like here were 27 of them in this find.  That's more than the current number of known silver or gold or olive green or peach or tan that we know of, but who knows whether we ever see a bunch of this color yes they are rare. If you won any of these Wisconsin blue, sky blue or azure coins please send me pics for the blog...ArmourPhil


Sunday, January 14, 2018

35 Set Break Sale on EBay

As readers of this post know, I have not used this blog for advertising, but I am in the midst of selling off my 1955 Armour set "55 Armour Auction set" of extras on Ebay

Wanted to give my readers / collectors an opportunity to acquire the following coins that are left from the set. Check out the link to see which coins are still available and let me know which ones you are interested in for your sets...

When the sale is over I will come back and list the prices that I got for these coins to give readers a perspective on real auction prices for these coins. Note their is still a Mantle correct L-R available !

Note added 4/12/2018

Updating what has been sold :

Antonelli N.Y - $40
Antonelli New York - $110
Finigan "O" - $35
Gilliam L-R wide gap - $75
Gilliam L-R narrow gap - 250
Haddix wide and narrow gap as pair - $60
Jackson Infielder (TAN) - $100
Kuenn  B/T  $250
Mantle  (Mantel) $175
Mantle (correct L-R ) $850
Snider (.341) - $75
Trucks (2 words) - $250 as we have discussed many times, value lies in the rare variations and the rare colors.

Sunday, December 31, 2017

34: 1960 Mantles


As we close out 2017 I thought I would add a near complete glimpse of the Mantle colors from 1960. The 60 coins come both as translucent ( if you hold it up to the light you can see some light coming through) and what I call trans or transparent (when you hold it up to the light you can read the back of the coin)

This shows 13 different colors and is missing medium green and sfla blue (which I know exist and I am searching for) and bright orange which I have with a chip in the rim and never graded.

In addition 5 of the colors in trans. Remember my theory on trans coins is that they do not have filler in them. Filler is a cheaper material like sand that is blended with plastic to lower the cost. The cooling rate of the plastic may also be involved as to whether the resultant coin is transparent or opaque. Are these really variations? PSA thinks NOT, but then again they don't even recognize the different colors or the bust tilts.

 I have never seen a trans red or royal blue....I have several trans red/oj and Dk green in 1960 but not Mantle.

Before the year ends I wanted to mention that one of our fellow Armour collectors, ChiSox Tony, who owns the #21 1959 set and the #7 1960 set took the initiative to contact Bud Daley and inquire whether he knew why his 1960 Armour coin is so rare. The letter and the response are shown below.

So it does not look like we will be getting any answers from Mr Daley and the scarcity remains a mystery !

SO until next year may I wish you


Tuesday, December 26, 2017

33. SFLA Yank 55 MAntles

Continuing our "show me yours and I'll show you mine game, SFLAYank has offered up pics of  his 1955 Mantle Armour coins. These are coins where he has both the miss-spelled variation "Mantel" (the common coin) and at least one of the correct spelling (Mantle) i.e. either (L or R) or (L-R). You may recall from earlier blogs that he also has the extremely rare colors of tan and sky blue and dk green  in the incorrect spelling version. So, here they are. Dare I say, maybe no one else on the planet has 22/24 as Larry does.

The correct orange and red corrects are the only ones I have ever seen. The yellows are nearly as rare.

Maybe, if we are nice we can get the Doug Stultz to show us his from his raw collection !

Saturday, December 9, 2017

32. Looks Like Lime Greens Produced for ALL 1960 Armour Coins

Just when I thought there was nothing left to write about in Armour coins, SFLA Yank informs me that he has just bought a lime green Rocky Colovito coin (see below)  Even the casual Armour collector knows that while Aaron, Banks, Crandall, Fox, Malzone, Mantle and Triandos are available in many rich colors, the rest of the players in the set are only available in red/orange and  3 shades of yellow (rare pale yellow, yellow and rare mustard yellow)

Well that can no longer be said. Colovito  joins the Early Wynn that "Armour Godfather" Doug Stultz found many years ago and a Mays that SFLA Yank sold several years ago. The three are shown below and lead us to believe the entire run must have been produced in lime green. How rare ? Maybe only one of each ? who knows.

The Stultz Wynn coin shows rim cracks that offer proof that the coins are lime green through and through.


Tuesday, April 18, 2017

31. Key Mantle Coins from Auctionfvr

George R, aka Auctionfvr has passed along this photo of his favorite Mantle coins along with a challenge to other Armour Coins collectors to send in their photos so we can aall see what they have.
So I guess what we have here is an old mans game of "Show me yours and I'll show you mine " !

We have seen the silver L-R with a gold swirl before and crowned it "Cappo-de-tuti-cappo"
George adds a PSA 10 aqua  L-R and a navy PSA 9 L-R . Since PSA currently lists only (1) 10 and (1) 9 in the population friends we are looking at them.

In addition George is the proud owner of what we think is the only PSA 10 black MANTEL (inc) coin.

Congrats on some seriously great Mantle coins........

If we were playing cards this might be a royal flush....but I'm sure SFLAYank will be up for this challenge...............