tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12844817222700215302024-03-12T19:22:31.593-07:00Armour Coins 1955 - 1960Armour baseball coins were a premium give away in Armour hot dogs in 1955, 1959 and 1960. There were many color variations and many errors that were corrected during the manufacturing cycle, making for very interesting variations for collectors. In this blog, ArmourPhil, who has one of the finest collections in the country, attemps to share his knowledge about these coins with the rest of the collecting community.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1284481722270021530.post-48286159518974836172023-01-27T13:15:00.002-08:002023-01-27T13:15:33.560-08:0055. LAst Armour Coins I Ever Grade ?<p> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEju3AnwRuGlPuCMpySKG51f8Wlzs3n-swEhr9EzNdZwp8fKinmQe--_fO40bD5ALF2PnkIx-yVOXKMGcDWzFY_-cL_l34MMmhXEhqus9escqkSVxoCutwm4bHtY3axzoKM0McAtx2yye9eC5L6elpspj94ItfIi4n77KZJWp9nOGdH8PAoXJyWg7-VU/s749/PhilGarrou%20low%20res.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="749" data-original-width="500" height="200" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEju3AnwRuGlPuCMpySKG51f8Wlzs3n-swEhr9EzNdZwp8fKinmQe--_fO40bD5ALF2PnkIx-yVOXKMGcDWzFY_-cL_l34MMmhXEhqus9escqkSVxoCutwm4bHtY3axzoKM0McAtx2yye9eC5L6elpspj94ItfIi4n77KZJWp9nOGdH8PAoXJyWg7-VU/w134-h200/PhilGarrou%20low%20res.jpg" width="134" /></a></div><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">Seems like forever since I wrote the last blog. It's not that I lost interest, I just ran out of new armour coin info to talk about. </span><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">I finally broke down and sent in my 1955 correct Mantle Black (L or R) which I obtained to complete my 1955 set in "midnight black" and my prize 1955 "Cappo-de-tuti-capo" Mantle correct GOLD. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">The good news is PSA graded them in a few weeks...the bad news is that they have just raised the price to $75 each. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">I guess PSA just does not want to grade coins /pins any more. I mean who would send in a 1955 Vernon and get it graded for $75 unless you were sure it was a PSA 10 ?</span></p><p><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">Thus the question...Are these the last 2 Armour coins I ever grade ?? Probably unless something really special comes up. </span></p><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhnbnhcEEYc3UaLVqER2RJVHtnJfyw3rD_ZJYSQSqF0DYUOOiGeGNxa_yiXKojrcOimDdz1AdtvFY4t500gEwpViLdiRtg2fzP-jO7oCytt9VJF_Qy3gzxSm-1ka62UGcZn8J0xTpysuxhoPvunPwqRPk1T5tA4Z5bt0fT8veOAPPMNhwWldgBvPjJu/s969/55%20Mantle%20correct%20LorR%20gold460.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="969" data-original-width="718" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhnbnhcEEYc3UaLVqER2RJVHtnJfyw3rD_ZJYSQSqF0DYUOOiGeGNxa_yiXKojrcOimDdz1AdtvFY4t500gEwpViLdiRtg2fzP-jO7oCytt9VJF_Qy3gzxSm-1ka62UGcZn8J0xTpysuxhoPvunPwqRPk1T5tA4Z5bt0fT8veOAPPMNhwWldgBvPjJu/w474-h640/55%20Mantle%20correct%20LorR%20gold460.jpg" width="474" /></a></div><br /><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;"> CAPPO-DI-TUTI-CAPO</span></div><div><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg5CsDNTFavmwAhTcqqmm1x39ZmcYvLUzBUcECIbnB1uqL3_KSlyUGEAr-K4Js20lbZBzB0uaICk4cYwCwM28gc-T3iiV3ucEvTV2kxT6vvhdNL2jUr4zwZlnlcaCe2Lz-ktvZeGQq7VkqvLfmSJqoF_iWvUEgCz8Pz1DjstGiKg7yZDFJDTeFiNplx/s775/Mantle%20%20%20%20%20correct%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20(L%20or%20R).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="775" data-original-width="574" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg5CsDNTFavmwAhTcqqmm1x39ZmcYvLUzBUcECIbnB1uqL3_KSlyUGEAr-K4Js20lbZBzB0uaICk4cYwCwM28gc-T3iiV3ucEvTV2kxT6vvhdNL2jUr4zwZlnlcaCe2Lz-ktvZeGQq7VkqvLfmSJqoF_iWvUEgCz8Pz1DjstGiKg7yZDFJDTeFiNplx/s320/Mantle%20%20%20%20%20correct%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20(L%20or%20R).jpg" width="237" /></a></div><br /><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">the last required coin for my complete midnight black set "42nd St"</span></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1284481722270021530.post-70088074260123802192021-10-05T08:58:00.000-07:002021-10-05T08:58:22.849-07:0054 Gold correct Mantle becomes "Capo de tutti cappo"<p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgHAED-TzQzwUimoa5MEkVvsaCbQ-FJVg08FewKc2s3AKvThzUPCWTJzYu5NaweBSV7xDZVPIAQ5SkxPe8FwDJ0e5eJGIQbD1Y378au8vr3waeld9j5Yl8GBnp4DWKAoZ4Yuz0DH2pb988/s749/PhilGarrou+low+res.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="749" data-original-width="500" height="200" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgHAED-TzQzwUimoa5MEkVvsaCbQ-FJVg08FewKc2s3AKvThzUPCWTJzYu5NaweBSV7xDZVPIAQ5SkxPe8FwDJ0e5eJGIQbD1Y378au8vr3waeld9j5Yl8GBnp4DWKAoZ4Yuz0DH2pb988/w134-h200/PhilGarrou+low+res.jpg" width="134" /></a></div><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">In blog 28 , in 2016, we anointed Silver mantle correct "cappo de tutti cappo". For those of you who don't know what that means check out some old Sopranos episodes. </span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">While most casual collectors were in awe of this coin, savy collectors spotted some further information in the pics supplied by Armour George. The presence of a gold streak in the coin meant there absolutely was a gold equivalent ...we just hadn't seen it yet. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">Well that ended last week when "Luke" contacted me about what he thought was a correct gold Mantle. It seems his father picked it up at a flea market in NC back in he 1990's and his son searched the internet to identify it and came across my armour coin blogs. He was especially interested in blog #19 "Hi Ho Silver" where I called out a fake silver Gilliam that had been obviously spray painted. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">Luke asked whether I would check out the current Mantle coin for him. How could any Armour collector turn down a chance to hold a correct Mantle gold in his hands. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">The coin arrived a few days later and I put it through my series of non destructive tests. It passed with flying colors. It is shown below. As you can see from the bottom row of pics it reveals the required transparency</span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhfjOAJ1AR0r4u_qxKhsJ3Vg1iQJTFj-B96NenU7NC77CtEJyKL4IQpJRjwV4nEnx908gdgLydBmkVZ3vUJb9J4OKYV-kQiFlR7xG_VzzKcELZDpPO57q6uP1V0Sp-E6NDovv8VsCuVCUk/s688/55+mantle+trans.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="657" data-original-width="688" height="612" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhfjOAJ1AR0r4u_qxKhsJ3Vg1iQJTFj-B96NenU7NC77CtEJyKL4IQpJRjwV4nEnx908gdgLydBmkVZ3vUJb9J4OKYV-kQiFlR7xG_VzzKcELZDpPO57q6uP1V0Sp-E6NDovv8VsCuVCUk/w640-h612/55+mantle+trans.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">The next step was to acquire it. I made Luke a very fair offer. Last thing I wanted was for it to come to EBay and set up a bidding war with the half dozen of you who would want to bid against me for it. Mission accomplished. So the gold Mantle correct (L or R) is now in the collection of ArmourPhil and since gold trumps silver it becomes the new "cappo de tutti cappo"</span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">It will eventually be graded and put into the 1955 armour set "Priceless" but not until PSA pricing comes down. Armour Phil don't grade coins for $150 !</span></p>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1284481722270021530.post-22869457041526281622021-10-04T10:59:00.004-07:002021-10-10T06:53:00.461-07:0053. 1955 Armour set in black, with all variations, finally completed<p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjmFmk8hF1ojVyWdbr9H6T9xAZ4kqylzUkpUVIMLeAH7c0hqZJlGI1fUGAyFNooAy4rLrGsAy2J8quUd4GrKrEGSrqvEtJbwYxP-uxXpapvUTZfVwBpxiI3Lwb7WzV8RR5i8DfYo_RO-LU/s749/PhilGarrou+low+res.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="749" data-original-width="500" height="200" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjmFmk8hF1ojVyWdbr9H6T9xAZ4kqylzUkpUVIMLeAH7c0hqZJlGI1fUGAyFNooAy4rLrGsAy2J8quUd4GrKrEGSrqvEtJbwYxP-uxXpapvUTZfVwBpxiI3Lwb7WzV8RR5i8DfYo_RO-LU/w134-h200/PhilGarrou+low+res.jpg" width="134" /></a></div><br /><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">Sometimes Armour coin collecting is like a roller coaster ride ...you can go for months adding nothing to your set and then all of a sudden things heat up. </span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">That has happened recently to me. First lets discuss one of my 1955 sets. There are 24 different coins in the set and with variations PSA recognizes 38 coins when we include variations. By now we all know about the Spahn "comma" variation which is officially not recognized by PSA yet. So for someone seeking a</span></p><p><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">complete set in black I think you would need 39 coins. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">I recently just finished the set with the acquisition on a Mantle correct L or R . I have seen probably a half dozen of these over the past 20 years but was never willing to pay the auction price that these went for. This time I finally paid the price to finish the set. </span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgTtSwaxDYRGCzGWyvrnorpNKnjVRQY0amH5LTX_QJfy5Aaa5ctgLDFsj0zXRnH-SaJyupIb_ox5XvDb8dTi5_bOGHmvjPloynaSLFerVdNPeON3y7Ltb46IGHy8wSFmTa2FVNyvTNJvt8/s1000/mantles217.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="905" data-original-width="1000" height="363" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgTtSwaxDYRGCzGWyvrnorpNKnjVRQY0amH5LTX_QJfy5Aaa5ctgLDFsj0zXRnH-SaJyupIb_ox5XvDb8dTi5_bOGHmvjPloynaSLFerVdNPeON3y7Ltb46IGHy8wSFmTa2FVNyvTNJvt8/w400-h363/mantles217.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">I will eventually get it graded once PSA drops its prices back to reality. </span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">This coin actually wasn't the hardest of the (39) 1955s to get in black, it was just the most expensive. </span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">So what was the most difficult to get ? Was it a Kuenn Bats/Throws ?? or maybe Jensen "RED" Sox ? or maybe a Trucks "White Sox" 2 words ?? </span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">Nope, actually is was the Kuenn condensed. Only seen one of them in the past 20 years and it is tucked away in my "midnight black" set known as 42nd st. </span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">If you have one of these please let me know.</span></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEih0shsPLviZ7h5bSkqg6C3VK2EyiGHR9BinPyHv5xmSJouSAYgT1PyPCTln23bTQquTR6-2b4f3Ju3w4CEcHfPCx6rO6Ci4os4_4WsMh3QWEgGSoWj_bu3NZY5y1eZGm_WVSrBZE2Mhaw/s599/kuenn+condensed.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="599" data-original-width="438" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEih0shsPLviZ7h5bSkqg6C3VK2EyiGHR9BinPyHv5xmSJouSAYgT1PyPCTln23bTQquTR6-2b4f3Ju3w4CEcHfPCx6rO6Ci4os4_4WsMh3QWEgGSoWj_bu3NZY5y1eZGm_WVSrBZE2Mhaw/w293-h400/kuenn+condensed.jpg" width="293" /></a></div><br /><p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">As it says in my PSA set description "<span style="background-color: white; color: #111111;">Where the underworld can meet the elite, Forty-Second Street" ....times square....the core of the big apple. This was our local subway stop in Hells Kitchen when I was growing up. The goal of this set is to complete the variation rich 1955 set in MIDNIGHT black ! Has the complete 1955 armour set with variations ever been completely assembled in the rare black color before ?? I don't know, but we do know never as a PSA registered set. Right now the Mantle correct L or R variation is keeping me from the full set.</span><span style="background-color: white; color: #111111;"> "</span></span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #111111;"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">Well the </span></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #111111; font-family: arial; font-size: large;">The Mantle correct L or R variation no longer keeps me from the full PSA graded set...Now it is held up by the $150 PSA wants me to pay to grade it........</span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span face="Montserrat, "Trebucket MS", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #111111; font-size: 14px;"><br /></span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span face="Montserrat, "Trebucket MS", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #111111; font-size: 14px;"><br /></span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span face="Montserrat, "Trebucket MS", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #111111; font-size: 14px;"><br /></span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span face="Montserrat, "Trebucket MS", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #111111; font-size: 14px;"><br /></span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span face="Montserrat, "Trebucket MS", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #111111; font-size: 14px;"><br /></span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span face="Montserrat, "Trebucket MS", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #111111; font-size: 14px;"><br /></span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span face="Montserrat, "Trebucket MS", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #111111; font-size: 14px;"><br /></span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span face="Montserrat, "Trebucket MS", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #111111; font-size: 14px;"><br /></span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span face="Montserrat, "Trebucket MS", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #111111; font-size: 14px;"><br /></span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span face="Montserrat, "Trebucket MS", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #111111; font-size: 14px;"><br /></span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span face="Montserrat, "Trebucket MS", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #111111; font-size: 14px;"><br /></span></p>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1284481722270021530.post-37963402305704824372021-08-13T09:46:00.002-07:002021-08-13T12:06:51.483-07:0052 ANOTHER WARNING on 1960 Mantle rims and PSA GRADING<p> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjPBZ8AMdNcUV2PnLb2AnOAxEtWPlq19UgNWNGw1-CJLqFuYz5vnWT7Qf5RrYALgwbTXDQ64xHj5OD8sXCdkoxGE9mLbFtm_cY_3JLXmLfBPh6FWmc_R7V1QUYKzXwlWKF7Pz4JYIexEb4/s749/PhilGarrou+low+res.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="749" data-original-width="500" height="200" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjPBZ8AMdNcUV2PnLb2AnOAxEtWPlq19UgNWNGw1-CJLqFuYz5vnWT7Qf5RrYALgwbTXDQ64xHj5OD8sXCdkoxGE9mLbFtm_cY_3JLXmLfBPh6FWmc_R7V1QUYKzXwlWKF7Pz4JYIexEb4/w134-h200/PhilGarrou+low+res.jpg" width="134" /></a></div><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">From my very first blogs back in 2012 I warned you, the readers, about the issue with 1960 broken back rims on Armour coins and singled out Mickey Mantle as the worst coin for this type of damage. </span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">Unfortunately this was not limited to buying this coin raw, since PSA was WAY WAY over grading these coins and they could be found as PSA 8s, PSA 9s and even PSA 10s !!!</span></p><p><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">Below is the first pic I used to explain the problem. </span></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhI9HLLpUkins6YIMfDC7EQnfYsa-bPzDOz32WHz_iP11TbpPvQ6hFW2uOdgIJmXl5tgHAZY_kREr3x9enpYCz0vd53z5gl3UFoisd7UWRGqDJuOg0wPmL7fAVyd69DRS2B7l7_y-dpAgw/s858/mantle+rims.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="516" data-original-width="858" height="384" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhI9HLLpUkins6YIMfDC7EQnfYsa-bPzDOz32WHz_iP11TbpPvQ6hFW2uOdgIJmXl5tgHAZY_kREr3x9enpYCz0vd53z5gl3UFoisd7UWRGqDJuOg0wPmL7fAVyd69DRS2B7l7_y-dpAgw/w640-h384/mantle+rims.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /> <span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">Did PSA mend their ways ?? or did those with such coins stop grading and trying to sell them to the general Mantle loving public - HELL NO !</span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">Below is a Mantle blue sold in 2018 where you can actually see the broken back rim laying on top of the coin. Is this a PSA 8 to you ??</span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiYRTfU9BxFz3Ir08w26FXuKI4GrVI9vBA4mHQUfyUMeOxcJELiCcLSIA4j55stvWewNtb1C47hvkDzWP0eFnc0ATuGKOhIQloeYJc7lvHePNnNxqzLBfPum2XRSAKNA-Wjb4hRojrS8bw/s700/2018+mantle+rim+back.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="700" data-original-width="616" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiYRTfU9BxFz3Ir08w26FXuKI4GrVI9vBA4mHQUfyUMeOxcJELiCcLSIA4j55stvWewNtb1C47hvkDzWP0eFnc0ATuGKOhIQloeYJc7lvHePNnNxqzLBfPum2XRSAKNA-Wjb4hRojrS8bw/w353-h400/2018+mantle+rim+back.jpg" width="353" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhpsHf3YFExvke08lszNN2ptLLGGIvm1zds1s8rmeHguvSavQrpzbCIR8GMfz4o26LEFLmVotXnMxZU2p8M3k80Zj-BK7ca7a8oItM4HAUN3F3R1hilREb0YVCvRI5vgTMyyL_6ecdvJgA/s670/2018+Mantle+rim.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="670" data-original-width="569" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhpsHf3YFExvke08lszNN2ptLLGGIvm1zds1s8rmeHguvSavQrpzbCIR8GMfz4o26LEFLmVotXnMxZU2p8M3k80Zj-BK7ca7a8oItM4HAUN3F3R1hilREb0YVCvRI5vgTMyyL_6ecdvJgA/w340-h400/2018+Mantle+rim.jpg" width="340" /></a></div><br /><p><br /></p><p> </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">Then there is the infamous red orange PSA 10 that I mentioned a few years ago which I will show again below with 40% of the back rim missing. </span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjOgEnwjzntBUnpMyXeW4QvCjL2juYFSgJ4hCH1Y2-HDG3s8tftXF9nn7jtkRuaSazWb513fUqC3pj5SXabhtZ1YtB18kcbcxyBe91CCd0LNeXNDzOjNNmSdn3HIgbabJVkcV2OBMKuoIY/s872/1960+Mantle+PSA+10+back.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="759" data-original-width="872" height="558" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjOgEnwjzntBUnpMyXeW4QvCjL2juYFSgJ4hCH1Y2-HDG3s8tftXF9nn7jtkRuaSazWb513fUqC3pj5SXabhtZ1YtB18kcbcxyBe91CCd0LNeXNDzOjNNmSdn3HIgbabJVkcV2OBMKuoIY/w640-h558/1960+Mantle+PSA+10+back.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgK5NrsLdAvl_eqMOwSRMdDmQAUMAcY7IfF_y0O6mLLoncmIJnF6dRRrsbJw5GL6Il1iNf8TQG04jFX10AZK9AfIyhFqpYo8XuXH_IxfpZS02rUoKmzNSBTJxLvVe1ByzyEODYhp9Rmfr8/s1026/1960+Mantle+PSA+10+no+rims.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1026" data-original-width="841" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgK5NrsLdAvl_eqMOwSRMdDmQAUMAcY7IfF_y0O6mLLoncmIJnF6dRRrsbJw5GL6Il1iNf8TQG04jFX10AZK9AfIyhFqpYo8XuXH_IxfpZS02rUoKmzNSBTJxLvVe1ByzyEODYhp9Rmfr8/s320/1960+Mantle+PSA+10+no+rims.jpg" width="262" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: large;">Which brings me to the coin thats being offered by PWCC today . Its a lime green Mantle 1960 PSA 10 Armour coin and the bidding is already up to $685. </span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: large;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: large;"> ARE YOU KIDDING ME !!!</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: large;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: large;">Shame on PSA and shame on PWCC for trying to sell this coin as a PSA 10. </span></div><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgkkqHvVXFrn0T-HZs8JRdUHdxUHaGg3L9PLtrsb67FSNPNbSbMZmXtZJOrIY2vyPCTS443GeEdtJOiNuWKc6fkPtqcypGkWjoCP7umX-92hKxC11B9hm5qbM4SIi3wHeys6uETMxk7qnY/s1161/Mantle+green+PSA+10+back.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1161" data-original-width="1061" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgkkqHvVXFrn0T-HZs8JRdUHdxUHaGg3L9PLtrsb67FSNPNbSbMZmXtZJOrIY2vyPCTS443GeEdtJOiNuWKc6fkPtqcypGkWjoCP7umX-92hKxC11B9hm5qbM4SIi3wHeys6uETMxk7qnY/w584-h640/Mantle+green+PSA+10+back.jpg" width="584" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjhyphenhyphenMcO76y2MF4PrNtCQJklbx3SJV5qZY4Bs7GyGkRSnvxgn4cb3hUQst776_vRaBGmdD9R3ZKeLI5vZ7FWEPGpgM4wmp9gPdr0kImC6iCPPbLy3XPGXl_1iRZK90GLvB0LadMpEOkaDnc/s1603/MANtle+green+PSA+10+no+rims.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1603" data-original-width="1053" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjhyphenhyphenMcO76y2MF4PrNtCQJklbx3SJV5qZY4Bs7GyGkRSnvxgn4cb3hUQst776_vRaBGmdD9R3ZKeLI5vZ7FWEPGpgM4wmp9gPdr0kImC6iCPPbLy3XPGXl_1iRZK90GLvB0LadMpEOkaDnc/w420-h640/MANtle+green+PSA+10+no+rims.jpg" width="420" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">The current population of PSA 10 1960 Mantle Armour coins is listed by PSA as 20 </span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">So one thing you can be sure of is that there really are no more than 18 PSA 10s in circulation because at least 2 of them should be rated "authentic" NOT PSA 10s ! </span></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj4F4H1Ari-pAYVI2CJ_120p8-Phxd9GOC2i7Kgh3r330-_LH5KsTgvwhlL3uKwUO5qQSRMyFLbpXU0tkkQa8BBqepnHN_ZKkxvSY97y5bUQpsa-R8nqiFw5GbSK3zzlBpqelj6K1OEYsA/s1407/MAntle+PSA+10+green+enlarged.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1407" data-original-width="1076" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj4F4H1Ari-pAYVI2CJ_120p8-Phxd9GOC2i7Kgh3r330-_LH5KsTgvwhlL3uKwUO5qQSRMyFLbpXU0tkkQa8BBqepnHN_ZKkxvSY97y5bUQpsa-R8nqiFw5GbSK3zzlBpqelj6K1OEYsA/w490-h640/MAntle+PSA+10+green+enlarged.jpg" width="490" /></a></div><br /><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: medium;">How did any of these make it by the supposed triple grading at PSA ??</span><p></p>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1284481722270021530.post-81319974699618289632021-03-19T12:49:00.004-07:002021-03-19T12:52:38.752-07:0051 Is Chalky dk Yellow another 55 Armour color ?<p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi_6_ALKvzrzJxG6vDbEpyDn-A2Ge5XyrWUXHUGjTk8utuSfx_Hm0D57OXCsSOpzA7JGeONf2Ap9grtVaXGpAtdQdCRFSuvTpMV7FSUfZBaSm-P4VFBzDllcf9ApLV0PEU9L6OVwZwaHQM/s2048/PhilGarrou+low+res.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1367" height="200" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi_6_ALKvzrzJxG6vDbEpyDn-A2Ge5XyrWUXHUGjTk8utuSfx_Hm0D57OXCsSOpzA7JGeONf2Ap9grtVaXGpAtdQdCRFSuvTpMV7FSUfZBaSm-P4VFBzDllcf9ApLV0PEU9L6OVwZwaHQM/w134-h200/PhilGarrou+low+res.jpg" width="134" /></a></div>There hasn't been a blog in awhile, but that doesn't mean there hasn't been anything going on. Being a lover of color variations I am always intrigued when a new color shows up after 60+ years. <p></p><p>That happened recently when i received a message from old time collector "armour coin" He sent a picture of a 1955 Mantle correct that was clearly NOT a chalky yellow (which is a pale yellow with a chalky texture to it) It reminded me of a coin I got from SFLAYank nearly 20 years ago, a Berra that graded a PSA 10. It was the only 55 Armour that I had ever seen in that color and I hadn't seen one since....till now. As you can see below (seeing is believing) it appears that both Mantle and Berra exist in this color that we will call "dk chalky yellow".. </p><p>Our unwritten rule to be accepted as a true color variation is that at least 3 of any color have to be known to exist, so this will still not be listed as a 1955 "official color" but maybe there are more out there. If you have any like this please contact me ...</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiLL6RDZxVMJa-pzqvImHQrhnbNaEJSJDwv3NVjmp2nF1CDii__n1hH4FR0kemQve_HnE-6EPfzsi49Jks94VkFhbdNPrgmEQEOv6jDTB_x1RgQoBzmAHA4RMZGFJcyesLxk8UHiOD17lA/s2048/chalky+dk+yellow+Berra.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1536" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiLL6RDZxVMJa-pzqvImHQrhnbNaEJSJDwv3NVjmp2nF1CDii__n1hH4FR0kemQve_HnE-6EPfzsi49Jks94VkFhbdNPrgmEQEOv6jDTB_x1RgQoBzmAHA4RMZGFJcyesLxk8UHiOD17lA/w300-h400/chalky+dk+yellow+Berra.jpg" width="300" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhJatQuBWkgNANk_NHh0eG4zTqZZdJHv6UhvAmAJWpB88zTdIv9zdnWUvtgnMuxoWjsuBb2NprdPlOHj4QF7cFnVJoqrXTReVHciMHdjH711nFQJdo6d56hl7J9UQcWybfhE_IIzUOm2UY/s546/chalky+dk+yellowyellow+mantle+%25281%2529.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="546" data-original-width="480" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhJatQuBWkgNANk_NHh0eG4zTqZZdJHv6UhvAmAJWpB88zTdIv9zdnWUvtgnMuxoWjsuBb2NprdPlOHj4QF7cFnVJoqrXTReVHciMHdjH711nFQJdo6d56hl7J9UQcWybfhE_IIzUOm2UY/s320/chalky+dk+yellowyellow+mantle+%25281%2529.jpg" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">This certainly ties the (1) known silver correct Mantle as the rarest of the 1955 Armour coins. </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /><p><br /></p><p> </p>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1284481722270021530.post-11240253956429963542020-05-19T06:24:00.000-07:002020-05-19T06:28:45.784-07:0050 Documenting Sale of Freasle sets for posterity<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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Instead of adding pricing to the Freasle sets that sold in the latest Heratige auction to my last post , I though I'd put all the info here....for posterity.<br />
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<b>In summary:</b><br />
<b>1960 23 coins - $1200</b><br />
<b>1959 20 coins - $564</b><br />
<b>1955 37 coins - $2760</b><br />
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But...of course if you have learned anything from these blogs it is that value depends on both condition and color so I have added the full detail below .<br />
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We will see whether the buyer/buyers add these sets back into the PSA set registry.<br />
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<b style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #202020; font-family: proxima-nova, Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px;">1960 Armour Coin Baseball PSA Graded Complete Set (23).</b><span style="background-color: white; color: #202020; font-family: , "arial" , "helvetica neue" , "helvetica" , sans-serif; font-size: 15px;"> Offered is a 23-coin complete set of 1960 Armour coins. Every coin has been graded by PSA. Includes: </span><b style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #202020; font-family: proxima-nova, Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px;">Graded - PSA GEM 10:</b><span style="background-color: white; color: #202020; font-family: , "arial" , "helvetica neue" , "helvetica" , sans-serif; font-size: 15px;"> 7 coins, Banks/Yellow, Ford/Red-Orange, Fox/Lime Green, Malzone-Red Sox/Yellow, Mathews/Red-Orange, Pinson/Red-Orange, Triandos/Yellow; </span><b style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #202020; font-family: proxima-nova, Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px;">PSA MINT 9:</b><span style="background-color: white; color: #202020; font-family: , "arial" , "helvetica neue" , "helvetica" , sans-serif; font-size: 15px;"> 2 coins, Crandall/Yellow, Wynn/Red-Orange; </span><b style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #202020; font-family: proxima-nova, Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px;">PSA NM-MT 8:</b><span style="background-color: white; color: #202020; font-family: , "arial" , "helvetica neue" , "helvetica" , sans-serif; font-size: 15px;"> 12 coins, Aaron-Braves/Yellow, Aaron-Milwaukee Braves/Yellow, Boyer/Yellow, Colavito/Yellow, Conley/Red, Daley/Red, Drysdale-Space L. and A./Yellow, Drysdale-L.A. Condensed/Red, Kaline/Red, Malzone-Boston Red Sox/Lime Green, Mantle/Yellow, Stuart/Red; </span><b style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #202020; font-family: proxima-nova, Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px;">PSA NM 7:</b><span style="background-color: white; color: #202020; font-family: , "arial" , "helvetica neue" , "helvetica" , sans-serif; font-size: 15px;"> 1 coin, Mays/Dark Yellow; </span><b style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #202020; font-family: proxima-nova, Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px;">PSA EX-MT 6:</b><span style="background-color: white; color: #202020; font-family: , "arial" , "helvetica neue" , "helvetica" , sans-serif; font-size: 15px;"> 1 coin, Allison/Yellow.</span><br />
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Its been awhile since my last blog and quite a few of you have asked whats up. Loading these does take a little work and you just need to be motivated to write them. Basically I just ran out of what I thought were important Armour coin information tidbits that I wanted to pass on to you fellow collectors. A remarkable find has spurred me to write up blog 49, but while I'm doing that I will catch up on other new information as well.<br />
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<i>Answering Mail</i><br />
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Some of you have asked why I don't typically answer questions left on the blogs. The answer is simple. This blog platform provided by Google free of charge allows folks to leave comments or questions but does not trigger me that a message has been left. So I would have to make a daily visit to every blog to stay completely up to date. If you want to leave a message better email me at philgarrou@att.net. If you want to leave a comment for everyone to see keep doing it this way ...thats fine.<br />
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<i>1955 Trans coins </i><br />
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Armour Al, SFLA Yank and a few others have written discussing the existence of transparent coins.<br />
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In blog 47 we looked at 1960 colors and indicated that most of the colors came in transparent variations. As a life long chemist my conclusion is that he transparency, translucency and opaqueness is due mainly to the quantity of filler (usually SiO2 or sand if you will) that is added to the plastic mix).<br />
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In blog 45 we looked at the so called " dk red trans" 1955 coins where not only can you read the back of the coin (looking through the front) you can see what appears to be precipitated (ppct) red pigment particles. This is somewhat hard to see in a picture on the internet, but clear as a bell when holding the coin up to the light. It appears that this same phenomena can be found for the 1955 navy coins and Armour Al reports that he has a near complete set in this "cosmetic" variation. They are certainly not new colors and not something that I would have expected Bob Lemke to have added to the Std. Catalog of BB Cards (my friend Bob passed away in 2017 ).<br />
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So for now, lets simply conclude that for sure dk red and navy 1955 have coin examples that show this strange precipitate phenomena, other 1955 coins can be found in varying states of transparency/translucency/ opaqueness. They are not new colors or variations. If you don't agree...speak your piece.<br />
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<i>Rare reds show up in TX </i><br />
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In the late fall of 2019 OPC baseball in TX put up a rare find of 1955 reds. While we all know that reds are a common color these were reds mainly of the 55 rare variations. In blog 42 we already discussed the fact that many of the variations are rarely seen in red or orange. One could presume this occurred towards the end of the molding runs and they were running out of red dye (red + yellow = orange), but whatever the case, we knew they existed (see blog 33) but were hardly ever seen. Well OPC found a lot that had at least 5 each of both Mantle correct variations and put them up for sale on EBay. I personally did not buy any because the seller put over inflated prices on them while their condition appeared, to this knowledgeable observer, to be no better than vg or PSA 5. Some had back edge chips and all had real rough back edges and wear on the coin faces. This collector does not pay $1500 for a coin like that even a red correct Mantle.<br />
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<i>Armour PSA registry sets repositioning. </i><br />
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A shout out is due to ChiSox Tony whose 59 set has moved into the top 5<br />
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Part of this set repositioning is due to sets being sold off. For instance it appears that Outlaw sports has sold off most of his 1955 collection and my old friend Freasle's widow ( see blog 21) has finally put his sets up on the Heratige April 26th auction. If I can remember I will update this blog with final prices in a few days.<br />
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<b>NEW 1959 VERNON Variation</b><br />
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With those tidbits behind me whats so important that It spurred me to write this first 2020 blog ??<br />
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Well Armour Al sent pictures of a 1959 Vernon coin in a dark yellow shade (not the pale yellow that is standard for 1959 coins) As you can see below it has Vernon as a member of the Senators not the Indians ! The back shows a pitchers 1958 W / L record that is not filled out. Maybe that is because Vernon was not a pitcher but rather an infielder as it clearly says on the coin.<br />
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Vernon was traded to the Red Sox for the 1956 and 1957 seasons and then Cleveland for the 1958 season. <br />
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The best guess we can come up with is that the coin designers were asked to produce a prototype set sometime before the 59 season. The designer obviously screwed up and produced this Vernon coin/s (who knows how many were made) This obvious error was caught and never made it into commercial distribution.<br />
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I checked with the Godfather of Armour Coins Doug Stultz, who is enjoying his retirement, and Doug says "Never seen one like that before" .<br />
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I never cease to be amazed about how much new information we can dig up about 60+ year old coins.<br />
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We can expect Armour coins of rare color to be scarce or missing from the known sets ...well ...because by definition they are scarce. This should be a random occurrence, i.e. different players missing in diff rare colors, and for the most part that is true.<br />
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But...why would a player be missing in a common color ? That is the case for the Mantle correct variations where existence appears to be in the trend :<br />
Navy=Aqua>>pale green=black >>>yellow>>>> orange & red. In fact, up until a few weeks ago no red correct L-R was known to exist. <br />
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Then it popped up on EBay Armour Al grabbed it before any of the rest of us even knew it was up there. It certainly is not in NM, but it certainly is the only one known to exist. <br />
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Below you can see it sitting between Mantle incorrects in orange and dk red.<br />
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Finishing up our review of coin colors...it is now time to take a look at 1960 colors. As you know, the 1960 coins are divided into 2 groups...<br />
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Aaron Milw Braves<br />
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The Aaron group comes in the common colors of red, red/oj, yellow, dk green, lime green, royal blue and pale blue as well as the other rare colors shown below except dk yellow and mustard yellow. <br />
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(2) the Allison group contains the rest of the players. The Allison group (so far) appears in common yellow and common red/oj and the rare dk yellow and mustard (darker)yellow. As we have discussed in previous blogs, 3 ultra rare lime green coins (Colovito, Wynn and Mays) have appeared oer the last decade.<br />
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Also as we have previously discussed at least 50% and possibly as many as >75% of the mantle coins come with partial back rims making them defective.<br />
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...WATCH OUT FOR PSA GRADED COINS WITH PARTIAL BACK RIMS...<br />
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No one appears to have a grey/blue Mantle with a complete back rim and I have only seen (1) royal blue Mantle with complete back rim and I quickly grabbed it.<br />
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More so than 1955 or 1959, 1960 has many coins which we call trans (transparent) Below is a shot of some of the ones that I have. red/oj...yellow...medium green...lime green..dk green....navy blue and pale blue. with both direct light and back light. Close ups re to show you that you actually can read the back of the coins. <br />
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Daley has always been reported as the rarest coin in the set. Prices which used to be I nthe $750 range have recently come down to the $4-500 range. 10+ years ago Daley coins appeared on the market that did not match ANY of the known colors shown here. In previous blogs I have shown you some of these coins. They were labeled as "test" coins and many sold for > $1000. I have repeated a photo of some of them below. Many believe they are fakes. <br />
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<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com5tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1284481722270021530.post-49916958120810231122019-01-26T08:41:00.000-08:002019-01-28T15:10:06.329-08:0046 New Armour Collectors...Mustard yellow in 1955 ??<strong><span style="font-size: large;">Welcome New Armour Collector</span></strong><br />
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Some new 55, 59 and 60 sets have gone up on the PSA sets list under the name <strong>Nehe60</strong>. His "all orange 1955 set" says it has an orange Trucks two words and a Mantle correct LorR . SFLAYank checked with Neil and it ends up the orange correct Mantle is just another PSA miss label . The Trucks 2 words orange does seem to be real and if so, it is the only one we know of. Congrats to Neil. Neil promises to put up pics for his 55's soon...until then welcome to the Armour collectors group Neil...<br />
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Congrats also go out to collector <strong>Noelle4-life</strong> who finished off her 59 set and is only a bob Cerv PSA 9 away from a complete PSA 9 or better set. She is currently in the #5 slot right in front of our friend ChiSox Tony and right in back of my all yellow 45th street park set. <br />
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Noelle is also zeroing in on a complete 55 set. She is now 3 coins away from the complete 37 in PSA 7 or better ...a significant feat...while she currently resides in 7th place she is only behind myself, auctionfvr (George), and our deceased pal Freasle. Finishing her set could move her up into 4th place. <br />
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<strong><span style="color: black; font-size: large;">Super dk yellow a new 1955 shade ??</span></strong><br />
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SFLA has reported 1955 mantle incorrect in a very dk yellow color he says is close to mustard yellow of 1960 sets. In checking my coins I appear to have a very dk yellow Trucks . As of now we're not sure they are the same color. If anyone else out there has similar color coins please let us know. <br />
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1955 lemon yellow....1955 new mustard yellow color<br />
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2018 has been a hell of a year when it comes to rare 1955 colors and it sure ended that way. It seems EBay seller Grizzley Dick had this accumulation of armour coins that he had picked up a flea market near Lake Georg NY years ago (actually in the last century...ha..ha..ha) . A few days before Christmas he started selling them after studying these blogs. That in itself would not be startling, but what was startling were the colors that he had. Seems his hoard had no pale green or navy blue or lemon yellows or oranges or blacks. It was made nearly entirely of dark greens, yellow greens and dark reds. Once again rare colors grouped together coming from the same location. Really the only common color he had was aqua. <br />
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Up to this point the only known yellow greens (early on called olive green) were Reese, Kuenn condensed and Trucks (1 word) . At last count we now have at least 19 examples, some of which are shown below. There appear to be two shades with one a little more yellow than the other. In the last row you can see Vernon in both of these shades. Another interesting factoid is that there were no rare variations. Another Mantle was sold in another lot by Grizzley. These are the only 3 yellow/green Mantle Incorrects known to exist, to the best of our knowledge and brings the total number of 1955 Mantle incorrect colors up to 21 including silver (but no gold) <br />
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You may notice the dk green Mantle incorrect ( a color I have been hunting for 20+ years). <br />
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The other main color Dick had was what we have called dark red transparent. That's right no regular cherry reds, no dark reds but ALL dark red "trans" which if you have been reading these blogs you know are semi transparent and when you hold them up to light you can see what appears to be undissolved pigment particles. <br />
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I put Haddix dk red trans and regular opaque dark red on my light table and got the following pics to try to show you the difference. <br />
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Armour Al indicates that he has found similar "trans" coins in navy and lime green. Since both SFLAYank and I both have a least 1 navy trans coin, this has led to a call for a more thorough examination of our collections to see if any other coins appear this way...Check for results in a few weeks. <br />
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So who was the winner of several of these Lake George lots including 2 yellow green and one dk green Mantle ? None other than Armour Al who clearly has become the Armour collector of the year for 2018 !<br />
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This now leaves silver as the rarest color followed by sky blue and tan, but as we have seen this year...that too can change with the next major armour coin auction... Unknownnoreply@blogger.com8tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1284481722270021530.post-50691803054541971172018-11-25T12:02:00.002-08:002018-11-25T12:02:33.396-08:0044. Reviewing 1955 Armour Coin Colors<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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Several of you have requested I try to come up with a <em>complete</em> chart of 1955 colors as I did for 1959 colors in the last blog. While all of these colors have been discussed in previous blogs, I have now tried to get all the colors into one chart like my 1959 chart. <br />
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I won't go into a lot of discussion on this. By now you know that the common colors for 1955 are Red, orange, lemon yellow, pale green, navy blue and aqua. </div>
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Certainly the rarest colors include peach, gold, silver, yellow/green (also at times called olive green), tan, sky blue and Wisconsin blue. Hope this is some help to my interested readers</div>
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Some might catch that I have left out what I have called "dark red transparent"...that's because it is so hard to show this color as a picture that clearly identifies it. It looks just like dr red (especially in EBay pis) . Those that have one know it...when you hold it up to the light you clearly see the individual red pigment particles in the coin. I currently have 11 different examples of this color so it is real. The only other color I have ever seen like this is one example of navy blue which is Antonelli N.Y....</div>
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It's been awhile since we looked at 59 colors so I though I'd look at those again. While the 59 set holds the lowest value ( no variations and no Mantle or Mays) of the 3 sets, it is the most colorfull (in my opinion) and has many colors that are very difficult to find. Pale blue and grey/green have always been rare, but recently they have become super rare. Pale oj, pale red, burnt orange, dk yellow, cream and brown are certainly in the super rare category. There is a separate blog on dk red, dk grey/blue and dk green with the green being rare but the easiest of the 3 to find. The pale green opaques are hard to find and always come with a white swirl. We have confirmed 3 shades of pink as you can see in the chart below and 2...maybe 3 blue shades of confetti.<br />
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The color chart below is the best I have done for the 3 years since all the colors look true.<br />
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Is the burnt orange really a dark orange to make the full dark set of red, orange, yellow, green and blue ? Your thoughts..should that include dk pink maybe ?<br />
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Should another grouping be pale red, pale orange, pale yellow, pale green, pale blue and pale pink ? If so why is the pale yellow so much more common ??<br />
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Why are the confetti coins only in blue ??<br />
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If your a collector try getting one of each color or a set of all 20 coins each in a different color. In my opinion much "coole" than having a set all in navy or all in orange, but that's just my opinion.<br />
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...feel free to comment on which of the rare colors you might have. If anyone has a pale blue Malzone or Cerv...talk to me ...<br />
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Thought we would take a look at the 1955 non Mantle tough variations and what colors they have been graded in. This data was collected off the PSA sets and by contacting the set owners to input their colors and any other graded examples of these 7 coins that they are in possession of. <br />
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We got a pretty good response to this questionnaire so thanks for the input guys/gals...<br />
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By the way last check this web page has gotten 67,000+ views...WOW<br />
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<span style="color: blue;">Feb 22nd 2019 - data update from readers: The following PSA 7s have been reported : Antonelli - pale grn, Guilliam narrow- navy, Jackson - navy, Jensen - navy, Snider black, Trucks - navy</span><br />
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So there have been ~ 193 of these 7 coins graded and we know the whereabouts of slightly greater than half of them. RED appears to be the hardest color to find these 7 coins in. <br />
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Hope this data is of some interest to you all ...<br />
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A large group of 1955 Armour coins went up for auction in September and once again I missed them. This time my excuse is that I was at a family wedding. What was your excuse for missing this lot ??</div>
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Lets call it the <strong>2018 NY Mantle lot</strong> for reasons you'll shortly understand. This lot consisted of 241 1955 coins as shown below</div>
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This pic comes to us direct from Armour Al and is not the photo included in the EBay auction. From the auction pic it was very hard to identify exactly what was in the lot. The seller had it up for sale for $3000 or best offer and many of you contacted the seller to see exactly what was in the lot and sort out how to make a bid.<br />
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Armour Al immediately made an offer of $2200 which was accepted before many of you could get your offers in. So exactly what did he get for his money ?<br />
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99 orange; 30 yellow; 7 green; 55 aqua; 50 navy blue..... NO Reds ??<br />
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ANtonelli NY 3 Antonelli New York - 2<br />
Berra - 13 Crandall - 7<br />
Doby - 13 Finigan O - 5<br />
Finigan Q - 7 Ford - 4<br />
Gillliam L or R - 1 Gilliam L - R - 3<br />
Gilliam tight - 0 Haddix wide - 7<br />
Haddix - narrow - 6 Jackson nfielder - 4<br />
Jackson Infielder - 7 Jensen Reb - 3<br />
Jensen Red - 4 Klu - 11<br />
Kuenn wide - 5 Kuenn condensed - 4<br />
Kuenn bats/throws - 4 Mantle error - 3<br />
Mantle correct L or R - 3 Mantle correct L - R - 2<br />
Mueller - 7 Reese - 10<br />
Reynolds - 15 Rosen - 16<br />
Simmons - 4 Snider decimal - 3<br />
Snider no decimal - 6 Spahn - 15<br />
Thomas - 8 Trucks 1 wrd - 4<br />
Trucks 2 wrds - 4 Turley - 10<br />
Vernon 16<br />
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A quick look and any Armour collector should be saying 5 Mantle correct !<br />
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A look at the pic below and you can see all 5 of the Mantle corrects are yellow. Comparing notes with SFLA Yank we know of fewer than 6 yellow Mantle correct in existance...up till now !<br />
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Next take a look at the Jackson nfielder, Trucks 2 words and Kuenn Bats/Throws the other high priced rare variations in the set.<br />
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So what is this coin lot that appears to be in pretty good condition worth ? I'll let you determine that !<br />
As for me I say Congratulations Armour Al......................<br />
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<strong>Nellie Fox Bust Tilts</strong></div>
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First of all, long time collector Chisox Tony sends this 1960 Nellie Fox summary of bust tilts. For those of you who don't know what these are, search the early blogs for a complete blog describing them. Basically, my premise is that multiple molds were used for many of the coins. The writing on the front of the coins were not identically aligned to the bust of the player on the coin and so the bottom left point on the bust points to different letters in the different molds. </div>
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Tony reports finding 4 different bust tilts for 1960 Fox as shown below. </div>
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From left to right the neck is pointing to the T, the TE, the left of the E and the right of the E. Fascinating that these are being reported all for the same color meaning one mold was NOT just used to manuf 1 color. I checked my Fox collection and found an even distribution of the 4 bust tilt variations across my broad spectrum of color variations. <br />
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<strong>More mis-graded Mantles</strong><br />
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A few blogs ago I ranted on a PSA 10 Mantle with missing back rim. Could there possibly be anything worse ? Well to me the following is even worse. This PSA 8 royal blue Mantle still up for sale on EBay has the back rim broken off and sitting on the encapsulated coin. Was this broken off during or after the encapsulation ?? No way to know.....I'd love to have it in my set as a great example of damaged 1960 rims, but the seller turned down my offer of $10.........<br />
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Lets compare 2006 (the first data I kept on graded coin populations) vs 2018 for the 3 Armour give-away years and for 1955 & 1960 Mantle's specifically:</div>
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15 years ago urban legend had it that Bud Daley (for reasons unknown) was the rarest coin of any of the sets. In the 2006 data there were only (7) Daleys graded...by 2018 we have (63) Daleys graded including (11) 9s and (10) 10s. However, I offer the comparison that there were only (7) Bob Allison graded in 2006 and today there are only (45) Allisons graded including (4) 9s and (5) 10s. Thus high grade Allison has always been rarer than Daleys ! Is that possibly because the urban legend Daley was priced so high (always > $500) that all those discovered were immediately graded ? or because no one wants a graded Allison unless your completing a graded set and there are only (25) graded sets as of 2018 ...</div>
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<strong>1955 Mantle Correct</strong><br />
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In 2006 we already knew that the Mantle corrects were very rare coins. Mantle L-R had only one coin graded - a PSA 6. Certainly we all thought that the L-R was much, much rarer than the LorR. By 2018 the population difference is less than 2:1 . In this case I propose any and all Mantle correct in the hands of anyone who has access to an internet connection knows to sell or grade both of them so the graded populations are probably a good representation of the true population ratio. <br />
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<span style="color: red;">Note Added 7/13: this does not take into account the number of coins that have been cracked out for regarding. The more valuable the coin the more this occurs so the Mantle populations actually over estimate the number of coins that actually exist. We know of one specific example where a Mantle correct L-R black coin was graded PSA 6, cracked out and regarded as a PSA 8. That's a value difference of hundreds of dollars.</span><br />
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<strong>Do the graders have a favorite color</strong> ?<br />
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Sine the early 2000's I have been tracking all the 1955 PSA 10's including color and cert number. Of the current (129) PSA 10's I have (116) of them logged in. Surely we can assume all of the common colors were produced in approx. the same numbers and surely the laws or randomness must conclude that no specific color would have survived in better condition (on average) than any other. So it is quite surprising that the following colors represent the population of 1955 PSA 10's.<br />
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Red(8); Orange(34); Yellow(17); Pale Green (11); Aqua (17); Navy (3) <br />
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Obviously the graders favor orange and if your sending in a navy blue...well don't hold your breath. To me that also means if you have a PSA 10 in red or navy it is certainly rarer and should hold added value. <br />
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By the way, the navy blue PSA 10's are for Berra, Doby and Spahn. I have the Doby. <br />
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In terms of the rare colors, There are (4) dk red trans; (2) pale orange; (2) black and 5 dk green known. If you have any other rare color 1955 PSA 10s I'd love to hear about them...<br />
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<strong>If it weren't for color variations, my collection would have been done a long time ago.</strong><br />
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Lots of you readers appear to continue to be interested in exactly how many colors exist for each year. My best guess right now is that the unusual colors came from the hot dog packs and the common colors for each year, which pretty much stayed the same, were the only ones sent out in the end of year mail in offers.<br />
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As of 2018 I am tracking the following number of colors for each year<br />
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1955 - (COMMON) - dr red, red, orange, pale chalky yellow, lemon yellow, dk yellow, pale green, aqua, navy blue and black (RARE) dr red trans, pale orange, peach, dk green, lime green, azure blue, sky blue, Wisconsin blue, tan, yellowgreen (olive), gold and silver (22)<br />
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1959 - (COMMON) red, orange, navy blue, royal blue, medium green, pale yellow (RARE) pale red/orange, dk blue, dk green, pale blue, grey/green, dk red, cream, aqua speckeled, navy speckeled, pale green opaque, pale pink, med pink, dk pink, pale, pale red. (20)<br />
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1960 - (COMMON) red, red/orange, lt blue, royal blue, lime green, medium green, dk green, yellow (RARE) bright orange, salmon, navy blue, slate blue, aqua, blue/grey, mustard yellow, dk yellow, pale yellow (17)<br />
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<strong>The 1955 RARE Variations</strong> <br />
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While there are plenty of coins for sale any given week on EBay, the rare 1955 variations are the ones commanding significant prices especially the highly graded ones. I ran through some math on the variations and turned up the following (we already discussed Mantle)<br />
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- Antonelli New York - 42<br />
- Gilliam L-R - 28<br />
- Gilliam narrow gap - 20<br />
- Jackson Nfielder - 24<br />
- Kuenn B/T - 24<br />
- Trucks 2 words - 54 <br />
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- The trucks 2 words number is much too large. My guess is that when we identified this variation PSA lumped all the previous graded examples into the 2 words group instead of the 1 word group. If you think I'm wrong try finding one....<br />
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<span style="color: red;">Note added 7/13: A reader responded that</span> <span style="color: red;">there are also a lot of miss labeled coins especially for the variations.</span> <span style="color: red;">I have personally seen a handful of Trucks 1 word coins labeled as the 2 word variation. Ditto Haddix tight vs wide.</span> <br />
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If we look at the coins with the lowest % of PSA9 + PSA 10 we see:<br />
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Crandall 12%; Finigan Q 8%; Gilliam narrow gap 10%; Gilliam L-R 11%; Haddix narrow gap 6%; Mantle L-R 4%; Mueller 7%; Snider no decimal 8%.....<br />
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Lets look at the coins with the lowest number of 9s + 10s: (<span style="color: red;">added July 8th</span>)<br />
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- Antonelli New York (6) + (1)<br />
- Finigan Q (4) + (0)<br />
- Gilliam L-R (2) + (1) <br />
- Gilliam narrow gap (1) +(1) <br />
- Haddix narrow gap (1) + (1)<br />
- JAckson Nfielder (3) + (2)<br />
- Jensen Red Sox (6) + (0)<br />
- Kuenn wide (7) + (0)<br />
- Kuenn B/T (5) + (0)<br />
- Mantle L-R (1) + (1)<br />
- Snider no decimal (3) + (0)<br />
- Trucks 2 wrds (9) + (1) [again I think these are lower than listed]<br />
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that's 56 coins ............<br />
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Looking at the PSA listed sets and those in my collection how many of these are accounted for ?<br />
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- Antonelli New York - 6<br />
- Finigan Q - 3<br />
- Gilliam L-R - 1<br />
- Gilliam narrow gap - 2<br />
- Haddix narrow - 1<br />
- Jackson Nfielder - 4<br />
- Jensen Red - 4<br />
- Kuenn wide - 4<br />
- Kuenn B/T - 3<br />
- Mantle L-R - 2<br />
- Snider no decimal - 2<br />
- Trucks 2 wrds - 6................................or 38<br />
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this explains why there is currently a lack of key coins in PSA 9 for sale on EBay unless someone is ready to breakup their set and sell it. !<br />
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For those of you interested in the numbers, thought this might be of interest....Happy 4th !<br />
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There have been some key questions that have lingered for many of us who started seriously collecting Armour coins around the time EBay came into being in the late 1990s. Some of those questions were answered a few weeks ago when I stumbled onto 2 articles that were written in 1989 and 1998 by someone named Richard Clothier. <br />
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The first article by Clothier was in the TAMS Journal (Tokens and medals Journal ) in Feb of 1989 entitled "Armour Baseball Tokens"<br />
Clothier describes how Ken Uran at Kenly plastics in Clinton Indiana approached the sausage division of Armour with a plan to insert plastic baseball tokens into their hot dog packs. The deal was signed and Kenly acquired the necessary players permissions and got the permission of the food and drug administration to insert these plastic coins near the food. <br />
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Clothier claims that the (24) 1955 players were produced in (23) color variations. He claims there were 16 color variations in 1959 and states that "<em>some new color variations occurred in 1960 but they were more limited than the 1955 run</em>" . More on this later.........<br />
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So the coins were produced at one factory (that's all they had) and delivered to he Armour packaging factories from one source. All of he colors were made in the same plant. In fact he states that "many of the odd colors were created accidentally during the change in production run from one standard color to another" <br />
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<span style="color: blue;"><strong>I completely disagree with this statement no matter who made it. As I showed a few blogs ago these colors come from red, yellow, navy blue, black and white. Since here were no white coins in any year or back coins in 1959 or 1960, the addition of these colors was intentional not accidental. Accidental produced the swirled coins but did not produce gold or silver or tan. More than likely that was the factory workers having fun making new colors.</strong></span><br />
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Many of us have wondered why there were no coins in 1956, 1957 and 1958...Well Clothier claims the Armour advertising agency convinced Armour not to do the same give-a-way two years in a row. By 1959 however, he claims the grocery outlets convinced them to issue more coins. <br />
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Interestingly, Clothier adds that a 1961 set was planned, but had to be scrapped because changes in the hot dog packaging equipment made it "<em>impossible to meet FDA requirements</em>" <br />
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One more line in the article really opened my eyes "<em>Incredible as it may seem, Kenly produced more plastic baseball tokens for Armour in 1955 then the United States mint did dimes</em>." The claim is that Kenly produced 40,000,000 that's right 40 million coins per year for Armour. Several of us have wondered whether that made any sense at all. Well, the population of the US in 1955 was around 100 million and if we assume 4 persons per household that's 25 million families. Armour was without doubt a national company so they had access to all of them. If the give-a-way lasted 10 weeks in he summer that's 4 million families a week that needed to buy a pack of hot dogs or roughly 1 out of 6 families in the US. Don't know about you, but we had hot dogs and Campbells pork & beans night once a week in our house. <br />
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When Clothier wrote his second article in 1998 in "Fun Money".. In this article he states "<em>There are about 600 uniquely different Armour coins when you consider all players, all years and all color variations</em>" (download a copy here: <a href="http://s88204154.onlinehome.us/apms/warehouse/FM10.pdf">http://s88204154.onlinehome.us/apms/warehouse/FM10.pdf</a> )<br />
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Not sure where he got the 600 number from at all. There are far more than that. If we take the original (24) players from 1955 and the claimed 23 colors that's 552 unique coins all by itself without 1959 and 1960. If Clothier knew about any players NOT being made in any specific colors he did not share that in either article. <br />
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He claims the most common of all the coins are the 1959 aaron group (aaron, ashburn, blasingame, cerv, fox, malzone, robinson, sievers, skinner and triandos) in the common colors (red, navy blue, royal blue, green and orange). I would tend to agree.<br />
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Clothier offers that the common colors of each year "..<em> far outnumber he scarcer colors such as gold, black, silver, tan, pink, cream, two-tone, off white and see through</em>" In the article Clothier claims that "...a<em> collector named Doug Stultz wrote to me with more information about the coins</em>." <br />
I checked with Doug and he does not recall the article or ever contacting Richard Clothier (WHO SAYS FAKE NEWS HASN'T BEEN AROUND FOREVER ?) <br />
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So lets assume Clothier came across the now infamous Stultz article in Feb 1987 Sports Collectors Digest. Doug never mentioned how many colors existed from each year and while he did list colors he had seen for each year, did not then, and does not now, agree with ever having seen coins that were "two-tone, off white or see through".....but....., from the names Clothier gives the colors in his 1998 article many of them match what Doug described in 1987. <br />
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When several of us tried to track down the current status of Kenly plastics we found that it had mysteriously burned to the ground in 1961 and is currently listed as a EPA toxic waste site. Can it really be a coincidence that the year the Armour contract was canceled the plant mysteriously burns to the ground ??<br />
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<span style="background: rgb(239, 239, 239); color: #1d1d1d; font-family: "helvetica" , sans-serif;">THE TERRE HAUTE TRIBUNE __ -3 FINAL EDITION Vol. CXXXIV—No.
143. Terre Haute, Ind., Saturday, October 21, 1961. </span></div>
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PLASTICS FIRM </span></span></div>
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<span style="background: rgb(239, 239, 239); color: #1d1d1d; font-family: "helvetica" , sans-serif;"><span style="background: rgb(239, 239, 239); color: #1d1d1d; font-family: "helvetica" , sans-serif;">Kenly Co. Factory Is Total Loss .....The blaze was discovered
in the northeast corner of the warehouse about 3:35 a.m. and, when firemen
arrived a few minutes later, “was all afire inside and ready to fall in,”
according to Assistant Chief John Dolan. Rapid spread of the flames was
attributed to the chemical nature of the plastic materials which, according to
firemen, “burns more rapidly as heat becomes more intense.” ...... The loss was estimated at more than
$200,000, all machinery, stored finished products and the nine-year- old
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So here is the totally unsubstantiated Kenly plastics rumor that I have just started. Kenly was ready to produce the 1961 armour coin set and in fact was developing prototypes in the fall of 1960 (the molds have to be ready to go if your making 40 million of anything) When they were informed by Armour that the FDA had put a hold on the deal they realized that this would bankrupt them. They then hired one of Tony " big tuna" Accardo's men in Chicago to come down and torch the facility. Before burning his factory to the ground for the insurance money, some of the Kenly production workers brought home buckets full of the 1961 armour coins for their kids but these, as of yet, have not turned up in the sports hobby. .....just kidding.......<br />
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NOW....back to the issue of how many different 1955 coins there are... <br />
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<strong>1998 Clothier Color List for 1955 Armour Coins</strong><br />
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<strong>common</strong> <strong>-medium rare (10):</strong> Dk Blue (navy), Aqua, light green (pale grn), red, orange, yellow (lemon yellow), black, dk red, pale yellow (pale chalky yellow), <span style="color: blue;"><strong>bright yellow</strong></span> <br />
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<strong>rare (12)</strong>: lime green, pale orange, <strong><span style="color: blue;">pale red</span></strong>, baby blue (sky blue ?), royal blue (azure ?), golden yellow (dk yellow), <span style="color: blue;"><strong>cream</strong></span>, <strong><span style="color: blue;">pink</span></strong>, gold, tan, silver, <strong><span style="color: blue;">burnt orange</span></strong>, dk green<br />
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Here is my up to date list of 1955 colors with the proviso that a color is not official till there are at least 3-5 confirmed pieces of the exact same color (must be dead nuts on the same) <br />
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<strong>2018 ArmourPhil Color List for 1955 Armour Coins</strong></div>
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<strong>common</strong> <strong>-medium rare (10):</strong> dark red, red, orange, chalky pale yellow, lemon yellow, dark yellow, pale green, aqua, navy blue, black<br />
<strong>rare (12)</strong>: <span style="color: blue;"><strong>dk red - trans</strong></span>, pale orange, <span style="color: blue;"><strong>peach</strong></span>, dk green, lime green, azure blue, sky blue, <span style="color: blue;"><strong>Wisconsin blue</strong></span>, tan, <span style="color: blue;"><strong>yellow/grn</strong></span>, gold, silver<br />
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Even if we conclude that either cream or pink are what we now call peach that still leaves several of his colors unaccounted for. Your thoughts on this or other Armour issues, as always, are welcomed .......<br />
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With a title like "Are you kidding me" most of you probably think I'm going to rant about the pricing put on Arour coins by the newest Armour mega seller on the scene the KY Outlaw...I'm not. The issue isn't what this coin is selling for because I'm a capitalist and as I have said before these coins are worth whatever someone is willing to pay for them. If this seller can get $5000 for a PSA 10, 1960 Armour coin more power to him. <br />
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However, this specific coin raised the hairs on my neck. The current owner is "Tigie"and indeed he is trying to get $5000 for this red orange PSA 10 Mantle. Lets take a close look at it. It's the grading not the price that is driving me nuts !<br />
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A close look at the back of the graded PSA 10 coin shows that half of the back rim is missing <br />
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It has taken a month or more to get this post up about a new color variation in the 1955 Armour set, but I was wanting to make sure I was correct about what I was going to say .<br />
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Before I start though, we need to go through some basic info that I have gathered on colors. <br />
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For years I and the other collectors have tried to find a listing of colors that all of the Armour coins would match. Basically there is not such color chart available that we have found. <br />
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It finally came to me that mixing colors into plastic is like mixing paint. If you look at any gallon of paint and look what they are mixing to get the custom color you want, you find that here are 5 basic colors being added. The primary colors of red, blue and yellow and the additional two colors that are used to make the shades - black and white. Those 5 ...that's it. <br />
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I stumbled onto the following "app" "Real Color Mixer" which you can load onto your phone from the google store. Basically it mixes those colors in any ratio that you want. I would rather do it on the computer (vs my phone) so I could then take a pic of the resultant color, but so far I have only found this app for the phone and none for a computer. <br />
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Anyway, we can now talk about colors, create them in this app and see if they match any known colors. <br />
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For instance:<br />
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1959 dk pink is 9 red, 30 white and 2 yellow<br />
1959 pale pink is 5 red , 30 white and 2 yellow<br />
(whether its 30 white or 28 white makes little difference, but basically double the red and go from dark pink to pale pink ...)<br />
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You can hold up the coin next to the phone and match the color...<br />
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More importantly if you send me the composition I can generate the same color on my phone and see if it matches anything that I have. <br />
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Everyone struggles with Navy Blue vs Royal Blue (1960) till they hold them side by side in their hand. Well navy blue is straight blue and royal blue is 9 blue, 1 yellow and 2 white <br />
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1955 Aqua is 1 blue, 1 yellow and 4 white <br />
1955 red is red<br />
1955 dk red is 9 red and 1 black<br />
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Some of you are probably saying "he has to much time on his hands" but ....for me this now makes it all make sense. <br />
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<strong><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;">the</span> WISCONSIN </span><span style="font-size: small;">FIND (At first I called it Minnesota - Mia Culpa)</span></strong><br />
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So with this basic knowledge about color on hand lets look at the Wisconsin find of 2018. It was about a month ago that several EBay ads popped up with what looked like a least (200) 1955 Armour coins. There were near complete sets in red and navy and groups of singles offered by player. Checking them over I found first that none of the lots had any of the rare variations for any player. The Mantle lot of 14 (see below) had reds and yellows and an orange and an assortment of blues. 4 Navy blues for sure and then 4 coins of at least 2 shades <br />
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Being accustomed to seeing awful color pictures of Armour coins on EBay I presumed the lighter shade was aqua (though it looked more blue than aqua) which meant the medium shade must be azure ...A color that I need for Mantle. The seller wanted $1299 for the lot but I made him a lower offer since I would have to sell off all the other coins. Looking at his other pics I saw loads of the paler blue coins so they had to be aqua....right ? The only other option was the ultra rare sky blue. I only have one of them (Rosen) so no way all of a sudden someone comes across literally dozens of them...or so I thought. </div>
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To make a long story short, the winners of these lots started contacting me and were kind enough to send lots for inspection. The photos below tell the story. 5 different blues showed up. I'm calling the new color Wisconsin Blue for the state of the find. </div>
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I separated Wisconsin in the pic from the sky blue because they are close in color ...but when you have them both in your hand they are definitely different. At least 17 of the possible 24 diff players turned up in this color so it is now an official color variation as far as I am concerned. </div>
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I have not locked down the exact color compositions yet in the color App, but it just the blue to white ratio. You might think well all of these are just a little off and no two are exactly the same. Not really...below are 10 of the Wisconsin blues that I have had my hands on. As you can see they are all the same color just like all the aquas in my or your collections are the same color.</div>
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So how rare are they? Looks like here were 27 of them in this find. That's more than the current number of known silver or gold or olive green or peach or tan that we know of, but who knows whether we ever see a bunch of this color again...so yes they are rare. If you won any of these Wisconsin blue, sky blue or azure coins please send me pics for the blog...ArmourPhil </div>
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As readers of this post know, I have not used this blog for advertising, but I am in the midst of selling off my 1955 Armour set "55 Armour Auction set" of extras on Ebay<br />
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<a href="https://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/baseball/company-sets/1955-armour-coins/publishedset/220092">https://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/baseball/company-sets/1955-armour-coins/publishedset/220092</a><br />
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Wanted to give my readers / collectors an opportunity to acquire the following coins that are left from the set. Check out the link to see which coins are still available and let me know which ones you are interested in for your sets...<br />
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When the sale is over I will come back and list the prices that I got for these coins to give readers a perspective on real auction prices for these coins. Note their is still a Mantle correct L-R available !<br />
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<span style="color: red;"><strong>Notes added 4/12/2018, 6/13/2018</strong></span></div>
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Updating what has been sold :<br />
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Antonelli N.Y - PSA 8 - $40<br />
Antonelli New York, PSA 7 - $110<br />
Finigan "O" PSA 6 - $35<br />
Gilliam L-R wide gap , PSA 7 - $75<br />
Gilliam L-R narrow gap PSA 8 - $250<br />
Haddix wide and narrow gap as pair - $60<br />
Jackson Infielder (TAN) - $100<br />
Jensen RED Sox, PSA 7 $65<br />
Kuenn B/T $250<br />
Mantle (Mantel) PSA 7 - $175<br />
Mantle (correct L-R ) PSA 6 - $850<br />
Rosen -PSA 7 - $27.50<br />
Snider (.341) - $75<br />
Trucks (2 words) - $250<br />
Trucks, One wrd - PSA 7 $27.50<br />
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<span style="color: red;">6/13/2018</span> - I have pulled some back for other reasons...this will be my last update<br />
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.....so <strong>as we have discussed many times, value lies in the rare variations and the rare colors</strong>. <br />
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<span style="color: black;">As we close out 2017 I thought I would add a near complete glimpse of the Mantle colors from 1960. The 60 coins come both as translucent ( if you hold it up to the light you can see some light coming through) and what I call trans or transparent (when you hold it up to the light you can read the back of the coin) </span><br />
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This shows 13 different colors and is missing medium green and sfla blue (which I know exist and I am searching for) and bright orange which I have with a chip in the rim and never graded.<br />
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In addition 5 of the colors in trans. Remember my theory on trans coins is that they do not have filler in them. Filler is a cheaper material like sand that is blended with plastic to lower the cost. The cooling rate of the plastic may also be involved as to whether the resultant coin is transparent or opaque. Are these really variations? PSA thinks NOT, but then again they don't even recognize the different colors or the bust tilts. <br />
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I have never seen a trans red or royal blue....I have several trans red/oj and Dk green in 1960 but not Mantle. <br />
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Before the year ends I wanted to mention that one of our fellow Armour collectors, ChiSox Tony, who owns the #21 1959 set and the #7 1960 set took the initiative to contact Bud Daley and inquire whether he knew why his 1960 Armour coin is so rare. The letter and the response are shown below.<br />
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So it does not look like we will be getting any answers from Mr Daley and the scarcity remains a mystery !<br />
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Unknownnoreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1284481722270021530.post-89971050299314285442017-12-26T10:32:00.000-08:002017-12-26T10:32:41.924-08:0033. SFLA Yank 55 MAntles<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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Continuing our "show me yours and I'll show you mine game, SFLAYank has offered up pics of his 1955 Mantle Armour coins. These are coins where he has both the miss-spelled variation "Mantel" (the common coin) and at least one of the correct spelling (Mantle) i.e. either (L or R) or (L-R). You may recall from earlier blogs that he also has the extremely rare colors of tan and sky blue and dk green in the incorrect spelling version. So, here they are. Dare I say, maybe no one else on the planet has 22/24 as Larry does. <br />
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The correct orange and red corrects are the only ones I have ever seen. The yellows are nearly as rare. <br />
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Maybe, if we are nice we can get the Doug Stultz to show us his from his raw collection !<br />
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<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1284481722270021530.post-53514057550507089032017-12-09T10:55:00.001-08:002017-12-24T07:49:30.666-08:0032. Looks Like Lime Greens Produced for ALL 1960 Armour Coins <div style="clear: both; text-align: left;">
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Well that can no longer be said. Colovito joins the Early Wynn that "Armour Godfather" Doug Stultz found many years ago and a Mays that SFLA Yank sold several years ago. The three are shown below and lead us to believe the entire run must have been produced in lime green. How rare ? Maybe only one of each ? who knows.</div>
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The Stultz Wynn coin shows rim cracks that offer proof that the coins are lime green through and through. <br />
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Unknownnoreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1284481722270021530.post-62005189529475746152017-04-18T10:32:00.003-07:002017-04-18T12:06:01.817-07:0031. Key Mantle Coins from AuctionfvrGeorge R, aka Auctionfvr has passed along this photo of his favorite Mantle coins along with a challenge to other Armour Coins collectors to send in their photos so we can aall see what they have.<br />
So I guess what we have here is an old mans game of "Show me yours and I'll show you mine " !<br />
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We have seen the silver L-R with a gold swirl before and crowned it "Cappo-de-tuti-cappo" <br />
George adds a PSA 10 aqua L-R and a navy PSA 9 L-R . Since PSA currently lists only (1) 10 and (1) 9 in the population reports...my friends we are looking at them. <br />
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In addition George is the proud owner of what we think is the only PSA 10 black MANTEL (inc) coin. <br />
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Congrats on some seriously great Mantle coins........<br />
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If we were playing cards this might be a royal flush....but I'm sure SFLAYank will be up for this challenge...............Unknownnoreply@blogger.com3